should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

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totally block all mobile phone signals inside all prisons

yes, it's the only way to be sure
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64%
yes, simple and totally effective
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28%
no, searching for mobiles is better
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4%
no, we can rely on informants
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no, the prisoners themselves can hand them in
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2%
I really don't know, ask me next year
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2%
 
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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by Beak_Peckham » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:43 pm

This would just not be workable in a prison enviroment,resources and time are just not there, just would not be practicle in conjuction with limited results.
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Feedback has been less than great. Actually what you say is similar to what I hear elsewhere, and of course you are right BUT.... All results are limited. How many hours are devoted each day to narcotics interception and recovery, all with limited results? Few would deny such efforts are worth the trouble.

I would even suggest that cellphones are actually even more harmful to society when they are in the hands of incarcerated criminals than drugs in the hands of incarcerated criminals are. At least drugs in prison (as far as I know) are not used to intimidate witnesses or order executions - or run illegal businesses outside.

Resources can be obtained if needed badly enough because that's economics and politics. The issue here is different in that it's technical. If it stands a chance of working it should at least be considered. If it fails it should do so only out of technical considerations, me thinks.

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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by Easylife » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:31 pm

The ideal these days seems to be that Prisoners only sacrifice in prison is their loss of liberty.
That being the case ,why not give them mobile phones ? Ring who they like when they like .
How about unlimited phone credit ? that would show who is who .If you want to ring mom great ,get on with it .
Save us a mountain of bullshit .
Calls are monitored .Not good enough ? want to harass someone then its a mobile .
Then if we find one we know what it is for .

If prisoners have unlimited call time and access to their own money then only the truly dangerous would need mobiles.
Maybe if cons had monitored phones in their cells they could say good night to their kids and who would care ?
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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by Crumbling Victorian Cat B » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:34 pm

Easylife wrote:The ideal these days seems to be that Prisoners only sacrifice in prison is their loss of liberty.
That being the case ,why not give them mobile phones ? Ring who they like when they like .
How about unlimited phone credit ? that would show who is who .If you want to ring mom great ,get on with it .
Save us a mountain of bullshit .
Calls are monitored .Not good enough ? want to harass someone then its a mobile .
Then if we find one we know what it is for .

If prisoners have unlimited call time and access to their own money then only the truly dangerous would need mobiles.
Maybe if cons had monitored phones in their cells they could say good night to their kids and who would care ?
Easy, I would agree with the majority of that in some form or another,they definitley need to lay all there cards on the table,and maybe just maybe opt for some thing a bit radical !!!!!!!!!!!
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Mobiles phones in prisons 'as bad as guns'

Post by falkor » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:45 am

30 December 2009
by Lizzie Cocker
The rapid growth in mobile phone use in prisons is as dangerous as giving inmates firearms and puts prisoners, the public and prison staff in danger, the Prison Officers Association (POA) has warned.
The union blamed government "penny pinching" and a lack of will by the National Offender Management Service (NOMS) for an astonishing 350 per cent rise in the number of phones and SIM cards confiscated in prisons since 2006.

Of the 8,099 items confiscated in 2008, 388 were found in high-security prisons - nearly double the number found two years ago.

And the provision of mobile phones in prisons has become a highly lucrative industry in its own right with inmates reportedly paying thousands to borrow a device.

Tory security spokeswoman Baroness Neville-Jones seized the opportunity to stoke fears that mobile phones in prisons are facilitating terrorist activity.

She said: "In 2007 a convicted al-Qaida supporter was caught using a mobile phone to build a website from inside a high-security prison.

"You would have thought that the authorities would have got their act together after that, yet there are now more mobile phones found in high-security prisons than there were then.

"This spreads extremist ideology and is a threat to our security."

But Justice Secretary Jack Straw hit back and accused the Tories of "cheap propaganda" to grab headlines.

"Instead, the Tories need to say which bits of our strategy they disagree with, what more they would do and how they would fund any extra measures as a result," he said.

But the POA said a simple solution has been available for some time in mobile phone jamming equipment.

The "jammers" have drawn strong resistance by mobile phone networks which claim the technology would hinder their service, even though they have been successfully adopted in several countries including France.

POA national secretary Colin Moses urged the government to stop "penny pinching" and move immediately to eradicate mobile phones from prisons.

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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by VINNY » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:46 pm

Giantstriker wrote:Why is or was there any debate or consideration given to mobile phones ever forming part of the Prison System? The way I have seen them used within prisons by managers has shown me how much of a security risk they are.Yet the arguement against them would probably be driven by those saying there is a risk from visitors to the prison.The risk within prisons at times comes from complacency and I am afraid to admit that often,when it comes to using and speaking on mobiles managers are pretty lax.

No one is ever a million miles away from a land line in a prison. What happened years ago when there were no mobiles for pitys' sake?

They are not essential and no prison manager is so important or essential to anyone or anywhere that they have to be instantly contactable.

I agree that they they should be withdrawn and issue to NO one in the prison or allowed to be carried by anyone visiting inside the prison.Simple as that.

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Don’t forget mobile phones are used and stored in security for escorts. In addition to that in the event of an emergency contingency plans must be in place incase of a landline failure. So there is an important use for mobile phones. It has to be thought out carefully though and not subject to myopically influenced knee jerk reactions.

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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by bbcradio » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:44 am

Hi folks, thought you might be interested to know we'll be discussing this very topic in Radio 4's 'Click On,' this coming Monday 1st April.

www.bbc.co.uk/radio/clickon

We'll be hearing about the technology that detects and blocks mobile phone signals from a firm that manufacture the devices, finding out how they work and hearing from Brian Caton about his thoughts on how mobile phone use in prison should be addressed.

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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by purplepig20 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:11 pm

Hi folks, thought you might be interested to know we'll be discussing this very topic in Radio 4's 'Click On,' this coming Monday 1st April.

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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by falkor » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:23 pm

this coming Monday 1st April?

this coming Monday is 5th April

and the link goes nowhere

so far so good :slhmm:

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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by purplepig20 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:02 am

Must be an April Fool.......... :sljo:
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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by bbcradio » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:25 pm

My apologies - don't know what happened there...seemed to miss out a couple of characters But right you are with the incorrect dates - was Monday 5th April (today) that the piece featured.

Should be able to listen online: www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/clickon

Best wishes to all.

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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by Crumbling Victorian Cat B » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:38 pm

bbcradio wrote:My apologies - don't know what happened there...seemed to miss out a couple of characters But right you are with the incorrect dates - was Monday 5th April (today) that the piece featured.

Should be able to listen online: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/clickon

Best wishes to all.

Still not availible,hey bbcradio whats your part in this ?
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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by bbcradio » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:53 pm

Just noticed that - sometimes iPlayer can take a bit of time to replicate programmes across the 'on demand' platforms. Hopefully should be there soonish, keep checking back.

I work on the programme's production team. Unfortunately I wasn't in the studio when the final programme was recorded so I've also yet to hear the finished product!!

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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by kristorf » Sun May 02, 2010 6:28 pm

No reason for anyone to have a mobile in a Prison, plenty of land lines.

I know some grades etc think they are a status symbol (look what I have and you can't have), but we all managed only a few years back without them, didn't we??

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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by piglet32 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:32 pm

is that true, if a prisoner gets caught with a mobile they just get told off or put on basic or worse case a night in the seg. but if an employee gets pulled because they forgot then they in theory get 2 years in nick. :slnuts:
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Re: should all mobile phones in prisons be BLOCKED?

Post by psionite » Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:15 pm

Rather than trying to block phone signals, wouldn't it be easier provide prisoners with mobile phones and use technology to monitor the calls?

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