Ex-Officer Re-joining the service

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Post by JCOX4 » Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:24 pm

Yeah it seems that the salary advertised doesn't quiet match to the contract. My base salary is the same as yours, however as its a red site it attracts a 5k a year bonus, plus I will opt for the 41 hour a week contract to get the monthly take home up.
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Post by JCOX4 » Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:25 pm

To be honest if it was just the base pay and no extra bonus, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of joining the prison service.
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Post by Ladder69 » Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:27 pm

London Lad it sound like the 22.300 is just the base pay, add the 17% unsocioal hours pay and its 25k then plus the 5k red zone supplement you're up to 30k a year

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Post by londonlad81 » Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:06 pm

Here’s what is says;

You will be paid monthly in arrears by credit transfer directly into your bank account. Your annual basic pay will be based on a 37 (net) hour working week, excluding meal breaks, which are unpaid.
This is a Band 3 role in the National pay area. Band rates vary by pay area, if you move pay areas your salary will be adjusted accordingly. As a Prison Officer you are required to work regular unsocial hours and will receive an addition to basic pay of 17% to recognise this. If you cease to work regular unsocial hours this payment will cease.
Your starting salary will be £22293 (£19054 base pay and £3239 unsocial working hours). Future progression through the Band will be subject to performance, affordability and public sector pay policy.

So this sounds like the salary is £22,293 with everything included for a 37 hour week?..

It doesn’t say anything about it being a red site either.

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Post by JCOX4 » Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:02 pm

My red site letter came as a seperate document to my contract.
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Post by TheRealMe » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:16 pm

Yes, the £22,293 is inclusive of the unsociable hours. Unless you’re inner/outer London or a red site, this is the rate of pay you will be on during poelt (37 hour week). After poelt, you have the option of either sticking with the 37 hours or upping to 39 or 41, where your salary would be adjusted accordingly. On top of this, there are 5 incremental pay uplifts for band 3 officers. Depending on performance, these are usually awarded in line with yearly pay awards. Your first uplift may not necessarily come at the next pay award as you have to have served a minimum of 12 months. For example, should you start in May, you would not qualify for an uplift the following April, you would qualify the following year.

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Post by JCOX4 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:31 pm

Good bit of info there therealme thank you.. Can I ask how prison officer performance is measured?
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Post by TheRealMe » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:06 pm

I can’t answer that one I’m afraid. Could be by way of yearly appraisal meetings or based on attendance/flexibility/disciplinary record etc, but that’s really just an assumption.

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Post by londonlad81 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:22 pm

Oh I didn’t realise there were five pay increments with a prison officer ( band 3). I knew there used to be incremental levels.
Sounds similar to the Police , you join as an entry Police Constable, obviously on the lowest pay level then progress up the levels. If you remain a Constable, you can get to the top pay in 7 years ( I seem to believe anyway).
Obviously some people will be promoted to sergeant before that.
I would think trying to get to an S/O as quick as possible in the prison service would be the quickest way of getting better money.

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Post by TheRealMe » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:00 pm

Yes mate, Sounds fairly similar. I’m not 100% certain but 5 pay points rings a bell.

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Post by londonlad81 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:56 pm

Too be honest I’m a bit apprehensive. Had a really tough start last time. Found the work load overwhelming, too many questions and problems to deal with and not enough staff.There seemed to be loads of documents to do on the computer which I didn’t learn in training.
Some staff were helpful , some not. Mostly there wasn’t the time for them to really help.
A stressful job yet I felt compelled to go back to!

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Post by TheRealMe » Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:34 pm

Perfectly natural, mate. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a tad nervous. But I learnt a lot about myself, I know what I could have done to change my situation and have confidence that I won’t find myself in that position again. Provided I get the vetting situation sorted, of course.

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Post by londonlad81 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:00 pm

TheRealMe, I’m sure it’ll be sorted mate, no doubts. Are you happy to go to any north east establishment?
What was your main reasons for leaving last time? How long do you do?

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Post by TheRealMe » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:57 am

Yes absolutely, I’d have been over the moon with any round my way. Did 4 months and left for similar reasons to yourself. Felt a burden/hindrance. Tried to muddle through but it caught up with me and made a stupid decision in haste.

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Post by londonlad81 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:54 am

TheRealMe- I think most people feel a bit out their depth when they start. I do think it helps working with good staff though. Apparently it can take years to become a good prison officer.
Is a complex job isn’t it, there is no other job that really compares.

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