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From talking to a lot of officers on the Wings and my instructors the last month or so, a top reason people leave is due to the Money.
I love it so far but the admin side is fooking shocking...... Contract started on the 14th November, not getting paid till the last day of December, I got told about applying for an advance, been waiting 3 weeks for a reply, also told i was off for 2 weeks ( Annual Leave ) for xmas, and now working the whole 2 weeks off in between training including xmas day ....but apart from that its all good :slcl: :slcl: :slcl: :slcl:
ARC - 21 Mar 2020
Video Appointment - 20 MAY
Conditional Offer - 29 JUNE
Vetting Passed - 11 JULY
The Call - 22 SEPT
Start Date - 16 NOV
Newbold - 30 NOV
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That’s a long time to wait to get paid is that. Hope you get through Christmas unscathed.


That is my point Craig I’m even getting bitter towards the NHS. The hero’s of the pandemic. Now don’t get me wrong they’ve been fantastic but they and they only get to be exempt from the pay freeze!

The prison service has done an exceptional job, the true success of the pandemic. Hundreds living and working in close quarters yet fatalities across the estate number just over 50!

We can’t win. If numbers were in the thousands it would be a national scandal. In fact last week on radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show they were saying how terrible it was that inmates were being kept behind their doors 23 hours a day, visits were suspended and exercise limited 🤦🏼‍♂️. Could the strict regime and low mortality be linked? I wonder!

If the country cares not about its prisoners it certainly doesn’t about its officers.
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Great debate!

My initial post was self-centred because I received an amended contract and assumed once I had finished POELT I would return to my prison on a salary £5000 less than anticipated.
Secondly, I wanted new applicants to be aware of the Recruitment and Retention Allowance stopping in February/March 2021 and not end up in the position I thought I was in. Hopefully this has helped new applicants using this board.

On the very controversial topic of rehabilitation I watched a documentary on Channel 5 'World's Most Luxurious Prisons'. Ann Widdecombe presented the programme from a maximum security prison in Halden, Norway. I know this will stir up a hornet's nest of replies, but it is worth watching. Prisoners have apartments with ensuites, no bars, go out on day release for up to eight hours a day etc. That said, the reoffending numbers are extremely low! It would be interesting to hear others' opinions. Perhaps it should be on a new thread? :sloo:
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Hi football girl

I didn’t see it as self centred but more of a nationwide issue. We shouldn’t be entering a dangerous profession and not be reasonably compensated in our wage package. Look how close you were to having to turn down the job because the base salary wouldn’t be enough for you to live off.

As for Norway it is interesting. Officers there train for years and have the equivalent of a degree before they walk the wings for the first time. What they don’t always show in these documentaries the vast space the prisons occupy which just isn’t readily available over here. Also the punishment the inmates receive is far more severe including a bed restraint not dissimilar to an American execution gurney and the underground tunnels in the bowels of the prison so when they forcibly remove an inmate it’s in silence and doesn’t disturb the rest of the population.

Norway’s model is good but their funding is vastly more than that available to UK prisons and I don’t think the public would find a tax increase palatable to fund criminal justice.
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They also did a similar experiment at HMP Hull in the 1980’s; https://youtu.be/z-KDtFE8kdI is a documentary made by the BBC if anyone is interested in watching.
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Loving the conversation on here mind 👍🏻
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Bearguy we do try
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Craig79-that’s not good that you haven’t been paid yet, even though you started in mid November. Pretty poor admin by SSCL...
Also you have to work Xmas day even though you won’t be qualified? Bit harsh that mate... especially as you thought you were off anyway. Is Newbold closed for 2 weeks?
A few points I’d make in relation to this;

Firstly I didn’t catch the Jeremy Vine show comments about prisoners being locked up for 23 hours. But what I do reckon is the people that made these comments have never worked in a prison!
Prisoners are being locked up for longer because the regime had to change. Visits and education has been cancelled and so has lots of other activities. Prisoners are now in bubbles, often socialise in landing, to limit the number of prisoners out of cells.
This is for the safety of prisoners predominantly, and staff. How else are staff supposed to get everyone out of their cells in a controlled and safe manner with limited staff?
I bet the same people would be moaning if prisoners were dying in jail because there were no safety restrictions!
And no one cared before when prisoners were locked up for 23 hours a day due to staff shortages!
I’ve been told by managers that prisons are more controlled and violence has decreased due to covid. Even a lot of prisoners themselves understand the situation.

As for wages, I agree that all staff should be paid a fair wage. But the pay increase introduced in 2017, were given to prisons with staff shortages. Mostly in the south east. But that’s not to say every southern prison officer gets more than northern ones. Some southern prisons are on national pay, meaning they get the same pay as the northern staff. Not every jail in the south is a red site so they don’t get a pay increase.
I also understand of course that not everywhere up north is cheaper to live, as there are some expensive areas there too as mentioned.
Every prison has its own pay structure, this isn’t unique to the prison service as lots of companies have a similar pay set up too.
Regional pay is everywhere, no mater how unfair , or fair that may seem. Royal Mail is also an example. A postman in London would get more pay than a postie in Morecambe. Market forces dictate people’s wages.
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Couldn’t agree more Londonlad. The service has done a remarkable job surpassing even the best care scenarios. I couldn’t be prouder of joining the service at this time.

With wages if you have an hour to read all my posts. It’s ridiculous that anyone going into the job that we are should be dependent on the uplift. We should be able to comfortably live on the basic even without taking into account the unsociable hours. The uplift and unsociable hour payment should be an incentive not something to depend upon.
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In an ideal world Dartsrob, absolutely, officers should have a good standard of living on basic pay, as you say.
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Maybe one day bearguy maybe one day
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We all need to move to Scotland where prison officers earn a decent wage.
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Don’t think I would go that far. Saying that Perth the Scottish Highlands and Islands look lovely places to live.
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Already on that case 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
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So guys, after 13 months of starting my application and jumping through many hurdles (failing vetting, appeals, retaking fitness and the rest) I received and accepted a start date. However, since i started my application last year my circumstances have now changed and due to the pay I can no longer afford to take this job. I was already taking a huge annual pay cut to take this job but now, on top of my change in financial circumstances, my boss has offered me an extra 5k a year to stay with the company I am with. This is just too good an offer to turn down so sadly, and it kills me to do this but I am going to be rejecting the offer of employment and stay put for now. I feel like I am turning away a great opportunity and one that I have worked so hard to get but it all boils down to and coming back to the original topic of take home pay. I feel gutted but maybe in a few years time when my family aren’t so dependent on what I bring home I may be in a position to try again, but right now I just can’t afford too. Good luck to everyone else going through the process and everyone already in, stay safe and stay proud, you all are doing a cracking job!
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