Cram 'em in! but don't raise the staff level

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Cram 'em in! but don't raise the staff level

Post by Thor » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:44 am

hi
our Gov has just raised our Op Cap on the wing i work by 20 prisoner places,but not the staffing level.
we're working with 5 and an S/o at the mo for a full unlock
Questions:
1.Anyone got the similar problem?
2. What are the MSL's for coping with 140 inmates?

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Re: Cram 'em in! but don't raise the staff level

Post by Starred Up » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:03 am

That would depend on what type of jail and what type of prisoner. Can you be slightly more specific? There are plenty of places currently running on an SO and 6 for a full unlock of 170-180 so 1+5 for 140 sounds about the going rate.
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Re: Cram 'em in! but don't raise the staff level

Post by Self Tapper » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:46 am

Op Cap is what the powers that be need it to be, staffing levels will shrink in line with that requirement. Who cares? Only the poor beggars wearing the uniform because the public still have no clue what officers do or how its done. Utterly baffling in this the age of multi media mass desemination of infomation. Thats just the way the MoJ like it folks so it aint gonna change any time soon. :sloo:
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Re: Cram 'em in! but don't raise the staff level

Post by barca » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:01 am

We're SO & 4 for 190 full unlock

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Re: Cram 'em in! but don't raise the staff level

Post by old sweat » Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:52 pm

barca wrote:We're SO & 4 for 190 full unlock
what cat are you?

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Re: Cram 'em in! but don't raise the staff level

Post by Madra Rhu » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:25 am

As stated by other posters, the main criteria for prisoner to staff ratios is the category of the prison.
For example the guidelines from the old ECG relating to ratios for a cat B Local was 19/25:1 when on duty which translated to an overall 2.5/3:1. This took into account the operational grades SO and Officer only.

The persons who stand to gain from increasing the opcap is the No1 Governor, the Dep and the AM. Not only is the grade of governing governer and dep determined by the category of prison but also by the number of prisoners locked up. For example a medium size Cat B local will require a B grade No1 with C grade Dep. If the lockup figure is increased to that of a Large Cat B Local, then the required grades of governors at No1 and Dep are higher. Effectively this opportunity of securing promotion means that No1's with their Deps support will always be willing to increase the opcap.

The questions to ask here are
1. Has your governor been promoted since this increase in opcap
2 Likewise your Dep
3. Did the increase in opcap come with an increase in funding
4 . If so did that increase match the existing cost per prisoner place
5. What investment in working practices and material security measures justified the RA's and SSOW throwing up the same staffing levels following the increase in population
6. If no increase in funding came with the increase in population or with less than the existing cost per prisoner place is your governor aware that this may be used to reduce the funding per prisoner place, effectively b eing used as an almost ireffutable arguement for a budget cut
7. If there was no additional funding what measures is/has your No1 taken to ensure that he can afford this extra strain on his existing resources without overspend on the budget

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Re: Cram 'em in! but don't raise the staff level

Post by Thor » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:25 pm

Many thanks guys....we are a local cat B and i think alot a q's need to be asked...thanks again

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Re: Cram 'em in! but don't raise the staff level

Post by COflyontheWALL » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:53 am

Starred Up wrote:That would depend on what type of jail and what type of prisoner. Can you be slightly more specific? There are plenty of places currently running on an SO and 6 for a full unlock of 170-180 so 1+5 for 140 sounds about the going rate.
I'm feeling underprivileged. When I was an area Sgt. I ran 2 wings. Each had 4 Officers, 2 to a side. The bigger of the two has a 240 cap, 120 to a side. Maximum Security, General Population. We'd run each side out to mess and recreation, etc., just myself and 2 Wing Cops.
Of course, it wasn't as bad as it sounds- just out in the Star stands a 10-15 man suited response team during mass movements...
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